Lydia Cornell

Wednesday, April 18, 2007

TASERS: GUN ALTERNATIVE * SAVAGE WINS PULITZER PRIZE

"Love one another."


GUN CONTROL: A LOGICAL ALTERNATIVE

Imagine this: every kid and teacher in that school has a gun. Someone is out in the hallway waving a gun around in the air. Everyone rushes out from classrooms to the hallway, waving their guns. WHO IS THE ORIGINAL GUNMAN? If everyone has a gun, who's the bad guy?

To the NRA and opponents of gun control: what's wrong with Tasers instead of guns? If you really are in fear and need to protect yourself, then have a taser handy.  This way it's not permanent.

Americans should have to pass eye tests, firearms classes, and metamphetamine tests, blood tests, even psychological testing (and see if they're on medications for depression or using psychotropic drugs) and be licensed BEFORE they can buy a gun.

It probably would not hurt at all to also have every applicant interviewed by someone trained to spot personality disorders, such as the kind that were so obvious to anyone who knew the mass murderer to be at Virginia Tech. The faculty there had already reported him to local police as a possible lunatic. And yet he was allowed to just walk into a gun store, where other murder weapons had been purchased, and walk out with a gun. There is something very broken about a system that failed to stop this.


For God's sake and for our children's sake, there have only been 24 justified shootings in America - versus THOUSANDS of "accidental" and rampage shootings, as a result of our lax gun laws.

In every other country where they have strict gun control, gun deaths are down.

Every day they try to fill us with fear. "The terrorists are coming over here to get us," they say. And why WOULDN'T the terrorists want to come to Virginia, for example? Why they've got some of the most lax gun laws anywhere, where even a deranged non-citizen can freely buy a high-powered assault weapon. And its not just people from overseas, criminals from all over the eastern seaboard come to Virginia in particular to buy their guns, so they can go commit crimes in other states.

The blood had not even dried on the classroom floors of Virginia Tech before the NRA launched its own offensive, in the media and in email blasts, to argue that what we really need to do is turn all our teachers into pistol packing sheriffs, and our colleges into something out of the wild west. There are only two categories of people who oppose any kind of gun regulation, lobbyists for the gun manufactures themselves, and people with personal Rambo fantasies. And the latter are possibly the LAST people who should be armed with deadly force.

The fact is that for every private citizen with the skill and JUDGEMENT to effectively intervene against someone else shooting a gun, there are many more Rambos in their own mind who would end up getting even more people killed including themselves. For every gun in a home used for successful defense against an attacker, there are many, many more used in suicides, or killing by accident, or end up stolen. Those are the statistics and they don't lie. You remember Marvin Gaye, don't you? He was killed in a family argument by his own father with a gun he bought for his father's protection.

It has never been enough to be a law-abiding citizen to be armed with a lethal weapon. With gun rights come gun responsibilities. You must be trained to use a weapon responsibly. And nobody should be able to purchase such a weapon unless they can first demonstrate this, any more than someone should be allowed to drive a car without at least first passing a driving test, together with an eye exam and a written test. They passed a law in the last Congress that said you were required to attend a special class before you could declare bankruptcy. Why not also to own a gun?

Having more guns in this country in the hands of people who can't handle them doesn't make us more safe. It makes us all LESS safe. Many of the guns already in the hands of criminals were originally sold legally (though perhaps under the most feeble of laws), and the more our society is awash with guns, the more guns criminals will get, to steal if they have to. The more guns the NRA can sell us, the more they will tell us we need to buy to "protect" ourselves from the ones already sold. What a deadly, murderous racket. Read more and take action at: http://www.peaceteam.net/gun_regulation.php TELL CONGRESS WE NEED STRONGER FEDERAL GUN REGULATIONS

No laymen, except the VERY INSECURE weaklings, need a gun that can kill people. Tasers stun the criminal and stop him in his tracks. Then you can take him to court and find out why he's doing what he's doing.

WE need to disarm all the criminals. In this day and age, with the stress of our society, the traffic, the job insecurity, the machines we're plugged into, the fear-mongering, the pharmaceutical drugs people are popping -- NOW MORE THAN EVER I DO NOT WANT NERVOUS PEOPLE TO HAVE GUNS IN THEIR HANDS.

The ENLIGHTENED, HARMONIOUS, long view is to work together to heal the ills of our society, tone down the desperation and the attraction to violence, and help us understand each other's tragedy. Truly damaged people should not be able to buy guns.

This kid was a ticking time bomb; his English teacher knew it. Why didn't someone put out an alert via his Driver's license, warning gun shop owners not to sell this kid GUNS!

People should prove why they need a gun; hunting licenses aside, they should be tested thoroughly before owning a weapon that can kill a human being.



2007 NATIONAL REPORTING

For a distinguished example of reporting on national affairs Awarded to Charlie Savage of The Boston Globe for his revelations that President Bush often used "signing statements" to assert his controversial right to bypass provisions of new laws.

The most heinous instance of a law Bush usurped was the Geneva Convention's ban on torture of human beings. Bush secretly signed his "right to torture" thereby breaking the Geneva Convention.

Bush could bypass new torture ban: Waiver right is reserved
By Charlie Savage, Globe Staff | January 4, 2006

WASHINGTON -- When President Bush last week signed the bill outlawing the torture of detainees, he quietly reserved the right to bypass the law under his powers as commander in chief...

David Golove, a New York University law professor who specializes in executive power issues, said that the signing statement means that Bush believes he can still authorize harsh interrogation tactics when he sees fit. 'The signing statement is saying 'I will only comply with this law when I want to, and if something arises in the war on terrorism where I think it's important to torture or engage in cruel, inhuman, and degrading conduct, I have the authority to do so and nothing in this law is going to stop me,' " he said. ''They don't want to come out and say it directly because it doesn't sound very nice, but it's unmistakable to anyone who has been following what's going on."
www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/ articles/2006/01/04/bush_could_bypass_new_torture_ban/

Also nominated as finalists in this category were: Maurice Possley and Steve Mills of the Chicago Tribune for their investigation of a 1989 execution in Texas that strongly suggests an innocent man was killed by lethal injection, and Les Zaitz, Jeff Kosseff and Bryan Denson of The Oregonian, Portland, for their disclosure of mismanagement and other abuses in federally-subsidized programs for disabled workers, stirring congressional action.

Other items of interest coming up:

On our show this week we are having Mike Weinstein, author of "WITH GOD ON OUR SIDE: One Man's War Against an Evangelical Coup in America's Military"

Check out internationally renowned architect William McDonough and his vision of the future:
"BUILDINGS LIKE TREES, CITIES LIKE FORESTS" http://www.mcdonough.com/writings/buildings_like_trees.htm

Analysis of the Left Behind Books and their anti-Christian message

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368 Comments:

  • I am a gun owner. I used to blast bunnies, pheasants, squirrels, etc. for cooking and eating.

    Nobody can argue that they'll go hunting with most handguns, and certainly not with something like a AK-47. There wouldn't be enough rabbit left behind from such weaponry to eat.

    I have no problem with a "hunting test" for weaponry. If you can't hunt with it, why have it?

    By Blogger Jolly Roger, at 7:49 AM  

  • Tax bullets...$15,000 per ought to do the trick.

    By Blogger Carl, at 8:50 AM  

  • Catching up....


    Texasshole said...
    The Imus Lynch Party
    By Pat Buchanan

    Saturday, April 14, 2007

    WASHINGTON

    In the end, it was not about Imus. It was about us.


    Hey! A Conservative who "gets it"! Hatred has no place in this nation anymore!

    Awright!

    8:52 AM


    Whiny Widdle Baby Twucker said...
    "In fact, your buttbuddy, TallTexan, was the first to allude to it, the day it happened!"
    -Carl the LIAR

    Actually Carl, Imus made his remarks on the 4th of April.



    Right, and Texasshole made note of it April 5th.

    So you were lying, I mean, saying????

    8:54 AM


    Texasshole said...
    Lydia, it's not that I'm unsympathetic to genuine stalking victims (and I believe you when you say you got death threats, etc). But the minute Carl is called on his BS, he claims he's a stalking victim. It never ends with him.


    Do you deny that you looked up and posted my personal information on this blog, Texasshole, yes or no?

    Just like Ann Coulter posted Lydia's home address?

    BY DEFINITION, that is cyberstalking and YOU are a criminal...

    8:56 AM


    Widdle Whiny Baby Twucker said...
    You know TT, attributing a racist comment to another person falsely is libel isn't it? Defamation at the very least.



    Yes, but you're sub-human, so....

    BIG SHMILE, you Nazi, BIG SHMILE!

    By Blogger Carl, at 9:00 AM  

  • Kicking troll ass....just another service provided by yours truly.

    Maybe Tom DeLay and I can go into business, after I forget to close the canister in his truck....

    By Blogger Carl, at 9:10 AM  

  • In regards to what was said on the radio and the news yesterday relating to the Virginia Tech massacre --

    I can't believe the tragedy that happened. It's absolutely horrible and I feel so sad for the victims and their families and friends. They will remain in my prayers.

    I 100% disagree with the media's idea of the boy being a terrorist. Did he have mental problems? Obviously, yes. Did he have links to terrorism – only in his own personal way in which what he did was in deed terrorizing but I seriously doubt he had any link to the Taliban.

    Do I believe video games with violent content are responsible for his actions? No way.
    I believe video games with violent content or not are pure entertainment just like films and television programs are. As a matter of fact how much morbid and violent content is shown daily on the news… that doesn’t make me personally want to go out and shoot people, have a highway chase, or rob gas stations or jewelry stores!

    Simply put in a nut shell - The dude was psychotic and obviously had mental problems, and it's too bad that he took so many innocent lives. I know it’s horrible to say, but IF the guy was contemplating suicide from the get go over his girl friend -- why couldn't he just do himself in and spare the lives and heart break of the victims and their families and friends? Yes, this was a rhetorical question.

    RP

    By Blogger RP, at 9:27 AM  

  • I bet this doesn't get 24-7 coverage or a late night candle light vigil either.

    More than 150 dead in Iraq blasts


    At least 157 people have been killed in a string of attacks in Iraq's capital, Baghdad, security officials say.

    In the deadliest incident, some 115 people were killed in a car bombing in a food market in Sadriya district.

    An attack on a police checkpoint in Sadr City and several other explosions left at least another 42 people dead.

    The attacks came as Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki said Iraqi forces would assume control of the country's security by the end of the year.



    More violence brought to you by the incompetence of Bushco and their PNAC neo-con clown posse......

    By Blogger clif, at 9:50 AM  

  • Another good one, Lydia. Bush's illegal use of signing statements is one of the impeachment charges that need to be leveled against him.

    RP, the only station on which I saw suggestions that he was a terrorist was Faux Noise. While I'm not ready to render an opinion regarding his motives, the things I've seen in his writing (the objection to moral decay and references to Christianity) this nut case may come to us from the religious right.

    By Blogger TomCat, at 10:33 AM  

  • RP, the only station on which I saw suggestions that he was a terrorist was Faux Noise. While I'm not ready to render an opinion regarding his motives, the things I've seen in his writing (the objection to moral decay and references to Christianity) this nut case may come to us from the religious right.

    I'm inclined to agree. This one seems to have been a hardcore Jesusistani who decided to take it upon himself to punish the sinners.

    If the wingnuts want to find someone to blame for this kind of a mindset, they won't have to look very hard. Not that they will look, of course.

    By Blogger Jolly Roger, at 10:39 AM  

  • clif said...
    I bet this doesn't get 24-7 coverage or a late night candle light vigil either.


    You know it Clif.

    However there is signs of hope on the horizon. I turned on the news today and lo and behold someone actually took the time to mention that half of New Jersey is underwater, displacing hundreds of thousands of people, and even a brief mention of the two Maryland Minors BURIED ALIVE in Hagerstown.

    Of course this lasted about 90 seconds, and then of course it was back to what size shoe the killer wore.

    By Blogger I WORFEUS, at 11:15 AM  

  • Of course now today it appears some schools in Maryland are being locked down due to some shooting threat or something.

    Imagine that.

    :|

    After 3 days of 24x7 coverage of the last killer, I am sure some other nut is watching and saying, "hey, I'd like some coverage too".

    If there is a copycat killing in the next week or two, then then CNN\MSNBC and FOX will all share responsibility for the blood that is spilt.

    By Blogger I WORFEUS, at 11:18 AM  

  • 157 people dead in Iraq in one day.

    Never mind the 50 or 60 who lost their lives yesterday.

    Never mind the Attorney General of the United States testifies before congress tomorrow.

    By Blogger I WORFEUS, at 11:19 AM  

  • As for Lydia's article, I am torn on the gun ownership thing.

    I understand what Lydia is saying, and part of me agrees with it.

    I also worry about the concept of disarming the population. It puts the police and government in a supreme position.

    The Constitution says the Right to Bear Arms shall NOT BE INFRINGED, so I am torn on this one.

    By Blogger I WORFEUS, at 11:31 AM  

  • But I think it deserves more discussion.

    By Blogger I WORFEUS, at 11:31 AM  

  • Greetings,

    Lydia, I think your taser idea is an excellent one. I think if more people would come up with and promote alternatives to handguns we could start making a dent in the number of them available.

    By Blogger Frank Frey, at 11:32 AM  

  • Hi Lydia and Guys!

    Great article here and on my blog this morning! ;)

    Lydia, I added your photo and website to your story. I think we should do that with each of your articles. :)

    By Blogger Suzie-Q, at 11:47 AM  

  • I WORFEUS said...

    But I think it deserves more discussion.
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    Worf:

    Yes, definitely!

    By Blogger Suzie-Q, at 11:48 AM  

  • Carl said...

    Tax bullets...$15,000 per ought to do the trick.
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    Carl:

    Are you a comedian?

    LOLMAO

    By Blogger Suzie-Q, at 11:49 AM  

  • I WORFEUS said...

    157 people dead in Iraq in one day.
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    Worf:

    Everyday is a tragedy in Iraq! We need to bring our troops home!!

    By Blogger Suzie-Q, at 11:51 AM  

  • TomCat said...

    Another good one, Lydia. Bush's illegal use of signing statements is one of the impeachment charges that need to be leveled against him.
    ---------

    Tomcat:

    Yes and he should be Impeached!

    By Blogger Suzie-Q, at 11:52 AM  

  • clif said...

    I bet this doesn't get 24-7 coverage or a late night candle light vigil either.
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    Clif:

    Sad but true Clif!

    By Blogger Suzie-Q, at 11:53 AM  

  • Jolly Roger said...

    There wouldn't be enough rabbit left behind from such weaponry to eat.
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    Jolly Roger:

    Don't come to my house..I have bunnies all over my back yard and I love 'em! ;)

    By Blogger Suzie-Q, at 11:55 AM  

  • Thanks Suzie!

    Thanks TomCat!

    We are having an incredible and controversial guest on our radio show this week: Mike Weinstein of the Air Force Academy, who wrote "With God on Our Side: One Man's War Against an Evangelical Coup in America's Military."

    This is a riveting and chilling book; I can't put it down.

    I believe fundamentalism is actually the "antichrist."

    By Blogger Lydia Cornell, at 12:06 PM  

  • SuzieQ,

    That was Chris Rock's idea, so, um, yea! I'm a well-hung black comedian! :-)

    Tasers...Lydia, it would be hard to bring down a deer with a taser. Of course, you'd have the advantage of alreay partially cooking the venison in situ, sort of like microwaving it in the field while you dress it...

    By Blogger Carl, at 12:17 PM  

  • Suzie-Q said...
    Don't come to my house..I have bunnies all over my back yard and I love 'em! ;)


    Now, how many ways to Sunday can I make this a perverted joke?

    By Blogger Carl, at 12:20 PM  

  • I WORFEUS said...
    I also worry about the concept of disarming the population. It puts the police and government in a supreme position.


    They already are, iWorf.

    The Second Amendment, as an anti-government measure, made sense when everyone had access to the same weapons.

    Think about it: if Bush is willing to send missiles and smart bombs and A1A tanks into Iraq to kill off a people who had nothing to do with any terror attacks on us, what would stop him from sending those same weapons in to quell an "uprising" in the ghettos of, say, Boston, or LA?

    And what's the best weapon you'd ever be able to buy, legally?

    And you want to tell me that any militia would stand a chance?

    That's the lunacy of the right wing gun-f*ckers right there in a nutshell.

    "Out of my cold dead hands" is precisely what the government prays you want...

    By Blogger Carl, at 12:23 PM  

  • Nothing wrong with owning a gun for hunting purposes, as well as defending yourself and family.

    By Blogger james, at 12:40 PM  

  • You're welcome Lydia and I don't know why I didn't think of it sooner! I used the photo that you are using on your blog, is that ok?

    ;)

    By Blogger Suzie-Q, at 12:51 PM  

  • Carl said...

    Suzie-Q said...
    Don't come to my house..I have bunnies all over my back yard and I love 'em! ;)

    Now, how many ways to Sunday can I make this a perverted joke?
    --------------

    Carl:

    Don't go there....

    LOLMAO

    By Blogger Suzie-Q, at 12:52 PM  

  • Carl said...

    SuzieQ,

    That was Chris Rock's idea, so, um, yea! I'm a well-hung black comedian! :-)
    ------------------

    Carl:

    Uh-huh! You talk naughty!

    LOL

    By Blogger Suzie-Q, at 12:54 PM  

  • james said...
    Nothing wrong with owning a gun for hunting purposes, as well as defending yourself and family.


    True, but how do we make sure thats the only people who have one?

    By Blogger I WORFEUS, at 1:11 PM  

  • I'm really torn on this issue.


    It is one of those sitution that requires serious discussion and reasoning.

    By Blogger I WORFEUS, at 1:16 PM  

  • Not knee jerk reactions to an mass shooting.

    By Blogger I WORFEUS, at 1:16 PM  

  • One things for sure.

    There are a lot of right wing pundits out there, like Michelle Malkin, who are calling the VICTIMS cowards.

    Cowards for not rushing this guy.

    Now while I admit, we'd all like to know how one single guy shoots 32 people, (imagine the marksmanship, even at close range, that must have required) without himself being rushed or overpowered, mostly so we can prepare ourselves for such an event with alternative solutions to the course these people took.

    But to imply they were cowards? Wimps? Because they didn't overpower this guy?

    Thats disgusting.

    By Blogger I WORFEUS, at 1:21 PM  

  • WORFEUS said...
    As for Lydia's article, I am torn on the gun ownership thing.

    I understand what Lydia is saying, and part of me agrees with it.

    I also worry about the concept of disarming the population. It puts the police and government in a supreme position.

    The Constitution says the Right to Bear Arms shall NOT BE INFRINGED, so I am torn on this one."


    I meant to respond to this earlier but Worf essentially said EXACTLY what I would have said.

    I understand what Lydia is saying and part of me agrees as well.........I dont have a problem with TRYING to prevent some of the loons from getting a gun, I dont think safety courses or psychological tests would be a bad thing particularly for those who wish to carry their guns......BUT

    I DO NOT think we should infringe upon law abiding citizens rights to have guns particularly in their homes to protect themselves and their families.

    Maybe stricter penalties for negligent parents who allow children to get ahold of their guns would help as would psychological tests before someone is allowed to purchase a gun.............I agree that if EVERYONE had a gun the world would be MUCh more dangerous rather than safer since there would be many more shootings for roadrage and petty arguments.

    But having said that law abiding citizend have every right to have a gun in their home to protect their family, criminals will always have guns weather they are outlawed or not and taking guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens will not only make the police and government supreme but will do the same to criminals who will obtain their guns through illegal means and will have little to fear when invading ones home.

    I think the People who designed the Constitution were far wiserr than most people the freedoms they sought to protect were timeless, we may need a few tweaks or minor chages here or there to close up loopoles or adapt to the times But the Bill of Rights will NEVER be outdated..........or Quaint as an idiot about to be impeached or resign once said.

    By Blogger Mike, at 1:24 PM  

  • It's disgusting alright, I mean what would anyone do in a situation like that.
    Those people had to be scared out of their minds.

    By Blogger james, at 1:24 PM  

  • I WORFEUS said...
    james said...
    Nothing wrong with owning a gun for hunting purposes, as well as defending yourself and family.


    True, but how do we make sure thats the only people who have one?"


    You cant criminals will ALWAYS have guns......you just need to take mesasures to TRY and prevent criminals and the psychologically unbalanced from being able to obtain them legally!

    By Blogger Mike, at 1:26 PM  

  • And Carl, just because people are outgunned doesnt mean its better to be absolutely defenseless.

    Governments will usually always have civillians outgunned, The British redcoats had our Founding Fathers outgunned, The Iraqi's are outgunned against us, the Afghans were outgunned against the Soviets............that doesnt mean they cant put up a resistance......and from the previous examples a quite effective one at that.

    I agree with some of what Lydia says...........But i DONT think taking guns away from law abiding citizens is the answer or a good idea.

    By Blogger Mike, at 1:30 PM  

  • james said...
    It's disgusting alright, I mean what would anyone do in a situation like that.
    Those people had to be scared out of their minds.


    You know it.

    John Derbyshire had the nerve to compare this to Flight 93, where the passengers rushed the terrorists in the cockpit.

    Well the two terrorists were armed with box cutters, not two 9mm semi-automatics.

    By Blogger I WORFEUS, at 1:34 PM  

  • That is a disgustin, ignorant thing to say..........what I cant understand is how these REich Wing idiots always PRETEND to be so brave but when its their turn to step up they run away like little girls and brove to be the biggest most gutless cowards of all.

    What probably happened is everyone panicked and dropped to the ground, if they would have rushed him many would have survived but in situations like this it takes one couragous clear thinking person to instill courage in the others.........panic and fear are probably the most powerful of emotions and I dont think we can fault the victims for their reaction although it clearly was not the best way they could have handled it.

    By Blogger Mike, at 1:35 PM  

  • I don't think it would hurt to have public service messages (freaky as they will be, and I'll probably complain about them) showing the general population just how to rush a single armed gunman who is clearly intending to kill people. That would be good.

    Might not do any good but it would at least make the killers think before trying it if they thought they might be rushed by a the crowd. God knows it works on airplanes now. So I am all for educating the public and preparing them for such events.

    After all, if that had been a room full of unarmed Marines I can assure you there would be 2 or 3 dead tops, not 32.

    But to insinuate that the victims were cowardly or acted poorly is insane, and is cowardly in and of itself. We were not there. We don't know what happened or didn't happen, and most of us have never faced that kind of situation.

    You never know what you're going to do in a sitution for sure, until you're in it.

    These were young people, who thought they were in a safe environment, and they did what they could.

    The only bad guy here is the killer(s).

    And whoever was behind them.

    By Blogger I WORFEUS, at 1:41 PM  

  • Whats disgusting is calling the victims cowards or trying to make it APPEAR this was Islamic terrorism for political gain.

    If by chance it really was islamic terrorism how would the idiot trolls who keep attributing no terrorist acts in our country to GWB and his destruction of the Constitution and our freedoms reconcile that..........would they say that Bush and his policies are a failure now.

    But let me just make my position clear, terrorism is random acts that can not be stopped by a single person or policies, while we can make our country safer a random act by a crazed individual can NEVER be stopped and to attribute no terrorist acts to GWB is ridicculous, particularly when you look at the horrific act of a few days ago and consider how hard this would be to stop from occuring again.

    By Blogger Mike, at 1:42 PM  

  • If you want to see some of this right wing slandering, start with this Time Magazine article.

    SLANDERING THE VICTIMS

    By Blogger I WORFEUS, at 1:43 PM  

  • Well maybe in some instances that might work worf, but this guy didnt care if he lived or died so I dont know if it would have made much of a differnce if he thought people might get a hold of him and disarm him.

    By Blogger Mike, at 1:43 PM  

  • The Oklahoma City bombing was a terrorist attack on April 19, 1995. The attack claimed 168 lives and left over 800 injured. Until September 11, 2001, it was the deadliest act of terrorism within U.S. borders.[1]

    Within days after the bombing, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols were arrested for their role in the bombing.

    By Blogger james, at 1:44 PM  

  • Mike said...
    Well maybe in some instances that might work worf, but this guy didnt care if he lived or died so I dont know if it would have made much of a differnce if he thought people might get a hold of him and disarm him


    I am talking about would be copycats.

    As for who this guy was and his motives, I am not sure we can even speculate at this point. When I look at his picture I see someone who looks like they were military trained. And his marksmenship was incredible to say the least. I'm sure our police and military men would be hardpressed to kill so efficiently armed with only two small sidearms.

    But maybe he was just a good shot.

    I don't know.

    All I know is that there is a lot to this story I don't know. I am not sure I ever will either.

    By Blogger I WORFEUS, at 1:49 PM  

  • Why is it all the "PRETEND" tough guys are a bunch of gutless pussies that have never even been in a gradeschool fistfight no less a war or gunfight...........it boggles the mind if Malkin is so brave how come her skinny ass isnt over in Iraq supporting the war she verbally cheerleads?

    By Blogger Mike, at 1:49 PM  

  • I know the news media needs to stop reporting every little detail and focusing on this 24x7 or we will have copycats popping up all over the place.

    By Blogger I WORFEUS, at 1:51 PM  

  • That is a little hard to believe he killed THAT many with only a 9MM and a 22...........but i'm assuming they just dropped to the ground in a ball and he picked them off like sitting ducks.

    By Blogger Mike, at 1:52 PM  

  • WORFEUS said...
    I know the news media needs to stop reporting every little detail and focusing on this 24x7 or we will have copycats popping up all over the place.

    1:51 PM"

    Agreed, it sickens me, I dont want to hear anymore about this.......I wont be watching the news for quite a while........not that i really watch it much anyway.

    By Blogger Mike, at 1:54 PM  

  • Mike said...
    That is a little hard to believe he killed THAT many with only a 9MM and a 22...........but i'm assuming they just dropped to the ground in a ball and he picked them off like sitting ducks.


    I think you're right Mike, I think thats probably what happened. After all thats what we tell people to do. Get down and lie low and cover up. People standing usually get shot so thats what we tell people.

    Thats why I was saying it might be good to have some training or instruction, at least to people in offices and schools, to help them overpower a lone armed gunman.

    We keep telling them to do what they say, but that was based on 20, 30 years ago, when the country was still populated by human beings.

    Now we have a new breed, a new crop, who we apparently have failed in someway, as they are completely without honor, decency or reason.

    By Blogger I WORFEUS, at 1:57 PM  

  • Mike said...
    And Carl, just because people are outgunned doesnt mean its better to be absolutely defenseless.

    Governments will usually always have civillians outgunned, The British redcoats had our Founding Fathers outgunned, The Iraqi's are outgunned against us, the Afghans were outgunned against the Soviets


    Whoa, Mike, the Afghanis were NOT outgunned! The CIA gave them the weapons to beat back the Soviets. Those same weapons are being used against us.

    And yes, the Iraqis are outgunned, but not by as much as you might think.

    I'd even argue the Americans, with 100,000 troops in a country the size of California and a population four times its size, are outgunned.

    By Blogger Carl, at 1:57 PM  

  • Mike said...
    Why is it all the "PRETEND" tough guys are a bunch of gutless pussies that have never even been in a gradeschool fistfight no less a war or gunfight


    Are you talking about Derbyshire or the trolls like Widdle Twucker, Texasshole, GooGoo and Freedom Fawn?

    by the way, there's a college kid who wrote a blog in support of Derbyshire's insanity. We're trying to get him drafted for Iraq.

    By Blogger Carl, at 2:00 PM  

  • Suzie-Q said...
    Carl:

    Uh-huh! You talk naughty!


    How long you been hanging out on this blog that you only just came to that conclusion????

    By Blogger Carl, at 2:03 PM  

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    By Blogger anonymous, at 2:26 PM  

  • worfeus a few observations,

    These for the most part were college age young people who probably had never faced anything like this,

    One very notable exception was the Israeli Professor who had survived the holocaust, only to die holding the door shut so the students he taught could escape. The passengers on flight 93 were older more mature and some even probably had served in the military so had some training.

    In a second room two men did hold a table in front of a door even while the gunman was shooting into the room, to save themselves and classmates.

    That is of course not to mention the RA in the first shooting incident who rushed to the aid of a dorm resident and paid with his life for it.

    There were quite a few heroes that day, but since they didn't pull an "arnold" movie stupid stunt, idiots will screech about it.

    They are such hypocrites, sense they are noticeably absent from Iraq which almost everyone of them to a T support.

    The reichwing noise machine needs to STFU on this one.

    By Blogger clif, at 4:33 PM  

  • Another one bites the dust;

    Roll Call: FBI raids Rep. Doolittle's (R-CA) home in Northern Va. More soon.

    Backstory on the Doolittle investigation here.

    Sounds like former staffer Kevin Ring may have sold Doolittle down the river.

    Update: More here.

    -- Josh Marshall

    Another corrupt gutless re-pubie chicken hawk goes down for criminal corruption while in office from the Abramoff investigation....could happen to a more deserving a$$hole.

    By Blogger clif, at 4:41 PM  

  • Clif, all good points, and in addition, who amongst them wanted to be the first to die?

    When United 93 was hijacked, and the passengers learned what else had been happening, they all knew already they were dead unless they did something. All of them. No one was getting out alive.

    But these kids probably figured, "If I can get my ass out of the line of fire, I can save myself."

    But nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnno, those candyass right wing Nazis demand totalitarian behavior from anyone while they sit on their fat asses behind their keyboards and whiiiiiine about liberals and Iraq....

    By Blogger Carl, at 4:44 PM  

  • Doolittle...pretty appropriate name...

    By Blogger Carl, at 4:45 PM  

  • Hmmm...looks like Conservatives might have gotten Don Imus fired, but for other reasons....

    "According to european reports of the events surrounding don imus that have gripped the united states this past week, it was during an interview with another american media personality, tim russert, who is the host of a television programme frequently used by us war leaders, wherein while decrying the state of care being given to american war wounded stated, "so those bastards want to keep these boys [in reference to us soldiers] secret? let's see how they like it if i start talking about their [in reference to us war leaders] secrets, starting with 9/11." "

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...so Imus was about to start broadcasting the truth about 9/11, and the next thing you know, there's an "uproar" about his program....

    By Blogger Carl, at 4:50 PM  

  • FBI RAIDS DOOLITTLE'S HOME

    By Paul Kiel -

    Breaking, from Roll Call:

    The FBI has raided the Northern Virginia home of Rep. John Doolittle (R-Calif.), according to Congressional sources. No details are publicly available yet about the circumstances of the raid, but Doolittle and his wife, Julie, have been under federal investigation for their ties to the scandal surrounding imprisoned former lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

    More soon, I'm sure.

    Update: Remember that a former key aide to Doolittle, Kevin Ring, who'd worked with Abramoff, resigned suddenly from his job late last week. As I wrote before, that's a clear sign that Ring may be preparing to plead guilty and implicate Doolittle.

    Update: According to The Hill, the FBI searched the home last Friday -- the same day that Ring resigned.

    **********************************

    Funny the FBI raids a sitting congressman's home LAST Friday, but not a peep out of the corporate owned MSM, especially Fox Lies noise machine, who is supposedly against government corruption......

    By Blogger clif, at 4:58 PM  

  • Carl, that passage you quoted originated from Pravda. Great source checking.

    By Blogger Tall Texan, at 5:02 PM  

  • Tiny the Liar... a re-pubie congressman gets RAIDED by the FBI and a re-pubie senator is being investigated by the Senate Ethics committee, ... looks like your criminal corruption party of pedophile protection is still bearing bad fruit son.

    Like you do here widdle lying sack of sh*t who welshes on his word

    By Blogger clif, at 5:11 PM  

  • Tall Texan said...
    Carl, that passage you quoted originated from Pravda. Great source checking.


    Says the asshole who constantly posts his brownshirted heroes, Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh...

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    At least Pravda makes a fair game of it, TinyDick!

    By Blogger Carl, at 5:34 PM  

  • Clif,

    Ignore the widdle baby, and he'll go away...or start stalking you!

    Oh wait. He did that already, didn't he?

    Yer a serial thug, aintcha, Texasshole?

    By Blogger Carl, at 5:35 PM  

  • clif said...
    Funny the FBI raids a sitting congressman's home LAST Friday, but not a peep out of the corporate owned MSM, especially Fox Lies noise machine, who is supposedly against government corruption......


    Where's the outrage from the right wing goosesteppers, like they had over Imus' outting of the 9/11 truth!? It took them almost a week to publish this story! Where's the outrage????

    By Blogger Carl, at 5:40 PM  

  • Tiny the Liar is too gutless to do anything but make hollow threats from his keyboard.

    By Blogger clif, at 5:50 PM  

  • clif said...
    Tiny the Liar is too gutless to do anything but make hollow threats from his keyboard.


    And beat his widdle pink dowwy...

    By Blogger Carl, at 5:56 PM  

  • tiny the liar does love hanging with the pink pajama circle jerk romper room crowd of gutless chicken hawks.....

    By Blogger clif, at 6:00 PM  

  • Hey, clif, who do you think is leaving the flaps of his Doctor Dentons down for the other boys to play with?

    By Blogger Carl, at 6:02 PM  

  • all of them......

    By Blogger clif, at 6:15 PM  

  • By Blogger clif, at 6:19 PM  

  • A real circle jerk, huh?

    By Blogger Carl, at 6:19 PM  

  • Hey, Clif...did you ever have to fire your weapon in anger when you served?

    By Blogger Carl, at 6:20 PM  

  • Suzie-Q said...
    Carl:

    Uh-huh! You talk naughty!

    How long you been hanging out on this blog that you only just came to that conclusion????
    ---------------
    Carl:

    Long enough to know that you're a bad boy!

    LOL

    By Blogger Suzie-Q, at 6:29 PM  

  • Iraq opinion gulf leaving GOP in peril

    Poll shows independents coming down on Democrats' side

    The polarization between Democrats, Republicans and independents on both politics and policy cannot be overstated. The war in Iraq is perhaps the most vivid and important example of the stark differences in opinions based on party affiliation.

    There is a chasm the size of the Grand Canyon between Republicans and Democrats on the Iraq war. More ominous for the GOP is that independents are coming down on the anti-war side, if slightly less vociferously than Democrats.

    This portends potential peril for Republicans in 2008.

    (snip)

    Notwithstanding what they personally believe, it's hard for lawmakers and presidential candidates to defy their bases. But pending some resolution or fundamental change in the fortunes of this war, the attitudes of independent voters may well come to haunt GOP candidates in the general election.

    As with impeachment in 1998, Republicans are listening to their base, but independents are feeling very different, potentially setting the stage for another bad election for the GOP.

    By Blogger clif, at 6:30 PM  

  • Suzie-Q said...
    How long you been hanging out on this blog that you only just came to that conclusion????
    ---------------
    Carl:

    Long enough to know that you're a bad boy!


    I'm not a bad boy.

    I'm just not spanked enough...

    By Blogger Carl, at 6:30 PM  

  • Clif said...

    Funny the FBI raids a sitting congressman's home LAST Friday, but not a peep out of the corporate owned MSM, especially Fox Lies noise machine, who is supposedly against government corruption......
    ----------------

    Clif:

    Yeah, that should have been news last Friday when it happened! Hmmm..

    By Blogger Suzie-Q, at 6:30 PM  

  • I'm not a bad boy.

    I'm just not spanked enough...
    ------------

    Lydia:

    Carl wants a spanking!

    ROFLMAO

    By Blogger Suzie-Q, at 6:32 PM  

  • clif said...
    As with impeachment in 1998, Republicans are listening to their base, but independents are feeling very different, potentially setting the stage for another bad election for the GOP.


    Ironically, Karl Rove may end up being the greatest Democratic operative ever! A permanent Democratic majority. A permanent Democratic government.

    By Blogger Carl, at 6:32 PM  

  • Suzie-Q said...
    I'm not a bad boy.

    I'm just not spanked enough...
    ------------

    Lydia:

    Carl wants a spanking!


    I never said that. I said I should be spanked more often...

    By Blogger Carl, at 6:33 PM  

  • I never said that. I said I should be spanked more often...
    -----------

    Carl:

    Uh-huh...try to deny it now!

    Should be= wants

    LOLMAO

    By Blogger Suzie-Q, at 6:35 PM  

  • Suzie-Q said...
    I never said that. I said I should be spanked more often...
    -----------

    Carl:

    Uh-huh...try to deny it now!

    Should be= wants


    I was just offering an objective assessment of my bad boy tendencies... ;-)

    By Blogger Carl, at 6:37 PM  

  • Carl. I do not go there for obvious reasons if you think about it.

    Best to say I did what I had to at the time, and try not to think about it much.

    By Blogger clif, at 6:40 PM  

  • Understood, Clif. And thanks.

    By Blogger Carl, at 6:43 PM  

  • By Blogger clif, at 6:43 PM  

  • I also didn't want to let this story go by the wayside:

    "DENVER, April 13 — Lawyers for two men charged with illegally ejecting two people from a speech by President Bush in 2005 are arguing that the president’s staff can lawfully remove anyone who expresses points of view different from his.

    Alex Young and Leslie Weise said they were ejected because of an antiwar bumper sticker.
    Lawyers for the two, Michael Casper and Jay Klinkerman, said the men were working as organizers for a public presidential forum on Social Security at the Wings Over the Rockies Air and Space Museum in Denver on March 21, 2005, when they were involved in ejecting two audience members, Alex Young and Leslie Weise.

    Mr. Young and Ms. Weise filed a lawsuit in Federal District Court here, saying they were ejected shortly after they had arrived in a car that had an antiwar bumper sticker, although they had done nothing disruptive. The suit charged Mr. Casper and Mr. Klinkerman with violating Mr. Young’s and Ms. Weise’s First Amendment right to free speech."

    BIG SHMILE, Right Wing Trolls! Big SHMILE!

    By Blogger Carl, at 6:52 PM  

  • Gee...the last couple of nights, the White Ringers were out here in force, and being really nasty to the people posting here.

    Now....not so much. What's different? Could it be they realize they'd be called on their shit and hard?

    ;-)

    BIG SHMILE, boys! BIG SHMILE!

    By Blogger Carl, at 6:55 PM  

  • Lawyers for two men charged with illegally ejecting two people from a speech by President Bush in 2005 are arguing that the president’s staff can lawfully remove anyone who expresses points of view different from his.

    In other words the president of the United states can censor the people he supposedly works for?

    Typical reichwingnut hypocrisy in action here folks,

    Move along nothing to see here just more reichwing hypocrisy in action, nothing special...........

    By Blogger clif, at 6:59 PM  

  • Clif,

    That's precisely right.

    The bigger point is Bush is a coward and so are those who support this jackass.

    By Blogger Carl, at 7:00 PM  

  • Clif said...

    Move along nothing to see here just more reichwing hypocrisy in action, nothing special...........
    --------------

    Clif:

    You got that right!

    By Blogger Suzie-Q, at 7:12 PM  

  • Carl said...

    The bigger point is Bush is a coward and so are those who support this jackass.
    ----------

    Carl:

    Chickenhawks are birds of a feather...

    By Blogger Suzie-Q, at 7:14 PM  

  • Jolly Roger:

    Don't come to my house..I have bunnies all over my back yard and I love 'em! ;)


    I've reformed..... sort of. With all the crap that's in factory-farmed foods these days, I do consider taking up the gun again from time to time.

    A well-prepared bunny is an exceptional culinary experience. Don't knock it 'till you try it :)

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