THE TAPESTRY * SPYING ON AMERICANS
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." - Theodore Roosevelt
THE TAPESTRY
Imagine if the human pageant were just a tapestry — and God sees the complete picture on the finished side, but from our vantage point below, we only see dangling threads that keep disappearing as they are woven in and out. As people pass on, certain threads disappear because they are part of a grand stitch that completes a beautiful landscape — or picture on the other side. We can’t see the whole picture. But God can. We don't know the reason for death and suffering; we don't know what's on the other side, but I'm sure there are many mansions and colors -- and the weave creates a majestic tapestry.
Somehow in this day and age, we’ve seen too much, done too much, been too naked. There’s too much hard-core violence and porn in the airwaves. We can’t really take it back and become innocent again. But I really want to be a virgin again in more ways than one. There is nothing in the physical world left to want, do or imagine. I don’t want one more luxury or gadget to make my life easier except maybe a Gizmo can opener. I don’t think anything impresses anyone anymore. Except seeing, actually seeing God. The great mystical force of love inside us all. I was thinking about the tragedy of the hurricane and the tsunami – and how many bodies have rotted and evaporated – how quickly human life is snuffed out. It proves to me what I’ve always known: that man is not made of matter, that rotting flesh has no essence in and of itself --- no matter how real the illusion seems. Man is spiritual; we are linked to the Divine mind, the one mind, God -- and to each other with the fabric of love.
This is a universe of thought. Thought is energy and it is swift (too bad those lying 'Boat Veterans' forever ruined the word 'swift' for me, which just proves I am too much a victim of my thought.) Here's the Catch 22: what you think about all day long, is what you become; what you focus on grows. Whatsoever things are good, pure, lovely -- think on these things and you will bring these into your life in proportion to your thoughts. Our thoughts create our reality, and as Shakespeare said, "There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." It's just so hard not to be horrified by this administration, the lies they told, the Machiavellian way they operate -- and the way they aligned themselves with truly good people in order to make liberals seem like heathens. This is a travesty. Liberal is not a dirty word: it's a great word. It means FREEDOM LOVING!
I have the profound sense that we can touch God everyday when we are loving to others, especially those who offend us and disturb us, and especially those less fortunate. Have you seen someone's face light up with just one kind word? Anne Frank was a pure and loving soul and thank God we have her diary to describe for us man's inhumanity to man. I have heard that at the moment of death, we transcend suffering - that it is removed. They did a study of people whose heads hit the tarmac after an explosion, and one woman who "died" and then was revived, said that she did not feel anything but went straight to the "light" as heaven embraced her. ** No one is going to hell by the way, unless their thoughts are already there and they are consumed with hatred for their fellow man.
I lived in Holland and visited Anne Frank's hiding place; it is so eerie to think humans can do this to other humans -- disparage an entire group of people and actually get the masses to believe that Jewish people were as worthless as rats. We have to be careful not to do this with any group - even extremist Muslims. The tendency in this divisive culture is to lash out at each other, and I have been guilty as well when I speak of the religious-right. But this new breed of militant "Christian" has completely missed the point of Christ's teachings and turned many people off to Christianity in the process. And I believe they are partly behind our foreign policy and this rush to war.
SPYING ON AMERICANS
"It seems the Bush administration — being a group of sane, informed adults — has been secretly tapping Arab terrorists without warrants" -- from ANN COULTER "WHY WE DON'T TRUST YOU (Democrats) WITH NATIONAL SECURITY" January 4, 2006
Tell that to James Moore, who is on the "No -fly list". He was once one of GW Bush's good friends, until he wrote a book called "Bush's Brain" about Karl Rove. He is all-American, not Middle Eastern, has no Middle Eastern business and has never had a connection to a terrorist. Now he is forbidden to fly anywhere -- and has no way to get off the list. WONDER WHY HE IS ON THAT LIST!!!
My friend Chaz has an analogy of this administration: "A frog will not jump out of a pan if you turn the heat up slowly."
God Bless the miners' families, the brave soldiers we have lost in Iraq, and Ariel Sharon. Our prayers are with you. I am deeply humbled by our men and women in the military, and in awe at their courage and sacrifice. These amazing people are true super-heroes -- along with fire fighters and police. God Bless those who died for our freedom.
THE TAPESTRY
Imagine if the human pageant were just a tapestry — and God sees the complete picture on the finished side, but from our vantage point below, we only see dangling threads that keep disappearing as they are woven in and out. As people pass on, certain threads disappear because they are part of a grand stitch that completes a beautiful landscape — or picture on the other side. We can’t see the whole picture. But God can. We don't know the reason for death and suffering; we don't know what's on the other side, but I'm sure there are many mansions and colors -- and the weave creates a majestic tapestry.
Somehow in this day and age, we’ve seen too much, done too much, been too naked. There’s too much hard-core violence and porn in the airwaves. We can’t really take it back and become innocent again. But I really want to be a virgin again in more ways than one. There is nothing in the physical world left to want, do or imagine. I don’t want one more luxury or gadget to make my life easier except maybe a Gizmo can opener. I don’t think anything impresses anyone anymore. Except seeing, actually seeing God. The great mystical force of love inside us all. I was thinking about the tragedy of the hurricane and the tsunami – and how many bodies have rotted and evaporated – how quickly human life is snuffed out. It proves to me what I’ve always known: that man is not made of matter, that rotting flesh has no essence in and of itself --- no matter how real the illusion seems. Man is spiritual; we are linked to the Divine mind, the one mind, God -- and to each other with the fabric of love.
This is a universe of thought. Thought is energy and it is swift (too bad those lying 'Boat Veterans' forever ruined the word 'swift' for me, which just proves I am too much a victim of my thought.) Here's the Catch 22: what you think about all day long, is what you become; what you focus on grows. Whatsoever things are good, pure, lovely -- think on these things and you will bring these into your life in proportion to your thoughts. Our thoughts create our reality, and as Shakespeare said, "There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." It's just so hard not to be horrified by this administration, the lies they told, the Machiavellian way they operate -- and the way they aligned themselves with truly good people in order to make liberals seem like heathens. This is a travesty. Liberal is not a dirty word: it's a great word. It means FREEDOM LOVING!
I have the profound sense that we can touch God everyday when we are loving to others, especially those who offend us and disturb us, and especially those less fortunate. Have you seen someone's face light up with just one kind word? Anne Frank was a pure and loving soul and thank God we have her diary to describe for us man's inhumanity to man. I have heard that at the moment of death, we transcend suffering - that it is removed. They did a study of people whose heads hit the tarmac after an explosion, and one woman who "died" and then was revived, said that she did not feel anything but went straight to the "light" as heaven embraced her. ** No one is going to hell by the way, unless their thoughts are already there and they are consumed with hatred for their fellow man.
I lived in Holland and visited Anne Frank's hiding place; it is so eerie to think humans can do this to other humans -- disparage an entire group of people and actually get the masses to believe that Jewish people were as worthless as rats. We have to be careful not to do this with any group - even extremist Muslims. The tendency in this divisive culture is to lash out at each other, and I have been guilty as well when I speak of the religious-right. But this new breed of militant "Christian" has completely missed the point of Christ's teachings and turned many people off to Christianity in the process. And I believe they are partly behind our foreign policy and this rush to war.
SPYING ON AMERICANS
"It seems the Bush administration — being a group of sane, informed adults — has been secretly tapping Arab terrorists without warrants" -- from ANN COULTER "WHY WE DON'T TRUST YOU (Democrats) WITH NATIONAL SECURITY" January 4, 2006
Tell that to James Moore, who is on the "No -fly list". He was once one of GW Bush's good friends, until he wrote a book called "Bush's Brain" about Karl Rove. He is all-American, not Middle Eastern, has no Middle Eastern business and has never had a connection to a terrorist. Now he is forbidden to fly anywhere -- and has no way to get off the list. WONDER WHY HE IS ON THAT LIST!!!
My friend Chaz has an analogy of this administration: "A frog will not jump out of a pan if you turn the heat up slowly."
God Bless the miners' families, the brave soldiers we have lost in Iraq, and Ariel Sharon. Our prayers are with you. I am deeply humbled by our men and women in the military, and in awe at their courage and sacrifice. These amazing people are true super-heroes -- along with fire fighters and police. God Bless those who died for our freedom.
posted by Lydia Cornell at
11:34 AM
438 Comments:
Lydia,
"Anyone ever wonder why the first time in US history we used electronic voting, the President who ordered it, also happened to be running in the race? And anyone ever wonder why, the first time in US history we used electronic voting, the President who ordered it, also ordered that there be no paper trail?"
The President may have requested it, but he can't just "order it", and it was congress which passed it.
http://www.fec.gov/hava/hava.htm
And it was not an immediate nationwide mandate, many places still used punch cards, and in many places that had electronic voting, punch cards were availible. As to the paper trail, that option was left to the local election officials most of whom decided not to go with machines which had that capability because of the additional cost. Not because the President "ordered it".
And since you seem to like the reference to gay marriage so much you've posted it twice now,
(and that cartoon certainly has judgemental overtones....)
Marriage is NOT merely a "private contract between two individuals".
It has at least two components, one civil, one religious. If two gays want to have a "civil union" I personally see no problem with that, but I don't think you can demand that clergy (or God) ordain something they feel is a sin.
Also, we live in a democracy. Well actually a representative republic, but the people still get to vote and they voted in several states NOT to allow gay marriage. So, unless you want to rewrite the constitution....
And as food for thought, Did you know that in early America just after the writing of the constitution the penalties for "sodomy" ranged from castration to death? We've come a long way from the founding fathers.
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Eric, at 8:41 AM
Also just as a personal observation, I used to run around with a girl who had many friends who "claimed" to be gay. In my experience the vast majority were simply perverts who'd do anybody anytime anywhere, and probably a few inanimate objects as well. That said, there were one or two who seemed genuinely gay.
I have no problem with what two (or more) consenting adults do behind closed doors but I DO have a problem with educators who feel the need to teach our children (usually without our express permission) that homosexuality is a viable "alternative lifestyle". I DO have a problem with Hollywood (figuratively) ramming it down our throats in supposedly "family oriented" movies and television. I also think gays can be their own worst enemy in defining themselves as people by their sexual orientation. Most wear it on their sleeves. I don't introduce myself as "Hi!, I'm Eric - I'm hetrosexual", and if I've just met you I really don't want to know that much about your sex life.
-Just my opinion
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Eric, at 8:58 AM
Liberals enjoy pummeling folks with traditional values as “homophobic” bigots. The vast majority are not. Liberals equate broad opposition to the concept of gay marriage as homophobia by the “Religious Right” bogeymen. It is not.
California has a Domestic Partners Rights Act which grants gay couples virtually all of the rights usually reserved for married heterosexual couples. There are similar laws in many states.
California voters also passed Proposition 22, which only recognizes “marriage” as between a man and a woman. It passed 61% to 39%--nearly 2 to 1. Many states have passed similar propositions.
Despite the wishes of the vast majority of California voters, San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom began issuing marriage licenses to homosexual couples. Governor Schwarzenegger was then vilified by gay rights activists for stopping this flagrant violation of the law. As usual, the elite Liberal intelligentsia is attempting social engineering through our court system, thwarting the will of the people and their democratically elected representatives. What an arrogant distain the self-anointed Liberal elite have for the wisdom of common people!
In Canada, homosexual marriage is legal. Canada also has a birth rate of 1.5 persons per woman. This is far below replacement levels; Canada, like many European nations, is rapidly dying demographically. Immigration is their only hope to sustain their existence as a country, and immigration without assimilation is a disaster as France has found.
I submit that the fundamental purpose of marriage is to provide a stable home environment for raising children. Studies show that most children benefit tremendously from being raised in a traditional two parent home. Such homes have been decimated in recent years by the welfare state, narcissistic sexual attitudes, rampant out of wedlock births, and high divorce rates. The family unit is the fundamental building block of society; it desperately needs to be respected and strengthened. If the family unit is in deep trouble, society enters a death spiral. The institution of marriage in its present form has existed for centuries. Is it “homophobic” to suggest that we need to carefully consider what we are doing before we mess with the very foundation of society?
Apparently Liberals like Ms. Cornell find it a sufficiently convincing argument to demonize their opponents with naughty words. Unfortunately for them, simply calling folks with traditional values things like “bigots” and “pot-bellied rednecks” will not work because decent people are already comfortable with what they find their own hearts. Folks capable of critical thinking must have an argument with substance before they consider changing an institution so vitally important to the fate of civilization.
Now that gay couples can have civil unions granting the same rights as heterosexual couples, why do gay activists fight so hard to be allowed to “marry”? The only reasonable conclusion is that this fight is not about “marriage” per se; it is about acquiring, by force, society’s stamp of approval on a person’s choice of the gay life style.
The 10th amendment to the U.S. Constitution states: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.” In other words, if something is not spelled out in the Constitution, the states and their people get to decide.
Roe vs. Wade passed in 1973 allowing abortions nationwide. As with gay marriage and polygamy, the U.S. Constitution is silent with regard to a federal policy on abortion, notwithstanding bogus linguistic hat tricks. Thirty three years later, America is still bitterly divided on this issue. This is what happens when the Constitution is used for bird cage liner instead of respected as the foundation for liberty.
My point is simply this: If you want to change society, then do it the right way. Put your ideas in the arena of public opinion with competing ideas and let the best ones win democratically. It is very difficult to challenge any law which has been legitimately passed by the majority of the people in a free society; the moral weight of popular opinion is massive. If you want to change the Constitution, there are procedures for amending it. Don’t Democrats believe in democracy too? If you allow arrogant justices to do whatever they please, despite the will of the people, we no longer live in a proud and free democratic nation; then we then live in a monarchy where judges reign.
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Freedom Fan, at 9:43 AM
Eric and FF -- Since it's Sunday morning, I was in the process of adding stuff and I took out the word "Redneck". My sister is gay, so I am especially sensitive to "Christians" who malign others.
I am researching the electronic voting issues and will repost an in-depth article later, with some breaking news.
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Lydia Cornell, at 11:23 AM
Eric you make some good points about gays wearing it on their sleeve. Maybe you are referring to the parade.
But Freedom Fan, if being gay is something you're born with, then why is it so horrible to allow them to get married? Like Drewl said a few days ago, it was once illegal for a black man to marry a white woman. I don't understand why you want to make gay people feel like second-class citizens.
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James W, at 11:50 AM
Lydia - I need time to think based on your response. Will get back to you and Worfeus with my bigger picture. Thanx for your response.
I have reserved Victor Frankl's book from my local library ; I was amazed it was out.
Take care
Johnny moo moo
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Anonymous, at 1:23 PM
But Freedom Fan, if being gay is something you're born with, then why is it so horrible to allow them to get married? Like Drewl said a few days ago, it was once illegal for a black man to marry a white woman. I don't understand why you want to make gay people feel like second-class citizens.
-James W
James, your argument would be valid if you were able to identify a "gay gene". As you know, chromosomes determine who someone is biologically. There are genes for racial characteristics but it is my understanding that there are no similar genes which dictate homosexual behavior just as there are no genes for bi-sexuality or polygamous behavior. Forensic criminologists can test someone’s DNA and determine his race and gender. However I believe it is impossible to learn someone’s sexual orientation from similar objective tests. I have never heard of an Ob/Gyn doc exclaiming to new parents: “Congratulations! You’re going to have a lesbian.”
I submit that sexual orientation is a choice which individuals make if perhaps subconsciously. Although I don't profess to entirely understand this phenomenon, I'm pretty sure it's not a result of genetics. Granted, sexual patterns, once established, are extremely difficult perhaps nearly impossible to change.
This still doesn't change the fact that heterosexual reproduction and nurturing of children is vital to the very existence of a civilization, whereas homosexual behavior is not. I say this not to offend my gay friends who contribute a great deal to the richness of our culture. But it is disingenuous to deny biological facts.
Perhaps I'm mistaken; if so please provide a link to a credible source which demonstrates that sexual orientation can be reliably established by testing someone’s genetics. Logically the burden to make the case for changing the status quo rests upon those who would change it; not upon those who support it. Folks who do not support gay marriage are not “evil”, just cautious. Adolescent name calling doesn’t lead to understanding and consensus necessary to bring about such fundamental societal change.
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Freedom Fan, at 2:13 PM
Ms. Cornell while our politics are polar opposites, I admire your taste in music. Loreena McKennitt is one of my all time favorites; I own all her eerily beautiful and mystic albums. Another little known but soul shaking artist is Eva Cassidy. She was a shy, plain looking young woman who was taken from us early in her life, but managed to cut several life changing albums. I recommend her Greatest Hits.
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Freedom Fan, at 2:25 PM
I'm also surprised at you Lydia for the Swift boat vets comment. 250 veterans are lying and only the 3 or 4 who supported Kerry are telling the truth?
Kerry was the one who early on made his vietnam service a centerpiece of his campaign , nobody else. If you stick your hat up there somebodies gonna shoot at it and Kerry knew damnned well he gave them plenty of ammo.
You SHOULD be ashamed of Kerry for his treasonous slandering of our troops during the "Winter Soldier" investigations.
Also, did you know that Bush SIGMED form 180 authorizing the pentagon to release all his military records? The mainstream media claims to this day he hasn't released them. They also claim based on Kerry's statements that Kerry did! And the pentagon says Kerry NEVER signed form 180.
And if you want to get into the AWOL charges, Bushes military records show he was honorably discharged. So do Kerry's of course but there has been some questions raised about wether he actually finished his enlistment with service in the Maryland Ready Reserves.
http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=AWOL
"Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year, and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country, especially during time of war. It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.
Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year."
On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainridge, Maryland.
Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released?"
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Eric, at 2:28 PM
FF, You and Lydia listen to all that long hair stuff?
I prefer Led Zeppellin myself...
LOL
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Eric, at 2:41 PM
On the gay issue, Ellen DeGeneres is a good example. When she first came out, she rubbed it in everone's face constantly. That turned people off and ended her show.
She seems to have calmed down a little now and has a talk show that appears to be doing pretty well.
I don't think that anybody really cared wether she was gay or not, they just didn't want to hear about it in every other word out of her mouth.
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Eric, at 2:50 PM
Bush lied about his military service, they conveniently doctored or lost his records, blacked them out and he got out of finishing Airforce training school.
Hardly any republicans in Congress served in combat, or very few. Kinda strange for war-mongers, don't ya think?
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Anonymous, at 3:25 PM
I agree Eric, pretty much.
People talk about it way, way, way, way, way, way too much.
I don't really like hearing the details of hetro-sexuals personal actions in the bedroom, and I would rather not hear about those of the gay men either.
Of course, I guess I could lower the bar on that for some good lesbian escapades :D
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WORFEUS, at 3:29 PM
LOL WORFEUS :D
Johnny moo moo
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Anonymous, at 4:11 PM
On issue of gay marriage I see no reason why gays should not be allowed to marry, whatever their reasons are wether it is for domestic rights/tax considerations, personal reasons etc..
that being said, I think Eric made a good point that the exhibitionism and defining oneself as gay where the person is constantly giving play by play details of all of their sexual encounters and every word out of their mouth is talking about or promoting the gay lifestyle is wrong, and something I dont support either. Youre right, Ellen De Generes did do this and it was a big turn off.
Mike
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Anonymous, at 5:38 PM
Freedom Fan, you raised some good points in your post last night, after thinking about it you are right the majority of my views are Liberal and I definately do lean to the Left. Also after thinking about it from your point of view, I guess it it difficult not to use generalizations while debating, however the thing I do not like is when these generalizations lead to us stereotyping or labeling people and then inferring what we Think their views would be on other issues based on that stereotype. we need to look at what people actually say rather than what we think they will say.Thats one of the reasons I dont like being "categorized" as a Liberal the other is because the Republicans turned it into a dirty word, i'll never forget how Bush looked into the cameral during one of the presidential debates and said "My Oponent is A Liberal" with such disgust in his voice like it was worse than being a child molester.
Freedom Fan i'm going to post some detailed examples of what i'm saying in my next post. but first i'd like to paraphrase one of your quotes
Freedom Fan I think you are a very intelligent person and a worthy but misguided oponent.
Now lets rumble
Mike
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Anonymous, at 6:18 PM
Well, it wasn't long ago when it was considered immoral, if not illegal, for blacks and whites to marry one another. The gay marriage thing is really no different, for all intents and purposes. The point being that it should be up to two individuals to determine if they should marry. It shouldn't be up to others to determine that for them, regardless of sex, race, religion or anything else. I've always found the uproar over gay marriage to be utterly silly. Whether or not gays can marry each other has no bearing whatsoever on heterosexual marriage. That's why some of these amendments that are called "The Defense of Marriage Act" are sheer nonsense. I sometimes will kid my wife that, once gay marriage is allowed, I'm going to divorce her and marry that handsome hunk down the street. Could anything be more ludicrous?! I have a number of friends who happen to be gay or lesbian. Why should I be legally entitled to marry someone because I'm a man and I'm heterosexual, but they are not allowed to do so because the person they want to marry is of the same gender? Does it somehow impact me if they CAN marry? No. I'd be happy for them. I once heard someone say that life is too short and too hard for most people that why should it matter WHOM we should happen to fall in love with. Just finding that person and committing to that person should be a wonderful thing. Yet, as we know, there are people who feel threatened by it for some unknown reason. It's sad.
reposted from DREWL's comment a few days ago
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Anonymous, at 6:29 PM
Ok Freedom Fan you've made some blanket generalizations about what you think my views are as well as others without regard for what I actually said, i'm going to take some quotes from several of us and I would like to hear your response.
I look forward to your retort!!!
Freedopm Fan said "U.S. Conservatives are passionate about freedom and defending the country which established it
with the creation of the U.S. Constitution in 1776. Liberals are passionate about robbing our
freedom in exchange for security provided by the state."
Really, from where I sit it seems Liberals are the only ones pasionate about trying to defend our freedom and civil liberties from a powerhungry meglomanaiac Excecutive branch that is running wild and trampling over these Freedoms and civil liberties under the guise of of security, and it seems the conservatives are the ones who crave this PROTECTION from the state. I do not live in fear and do not need or want the type of protection president Bush is providing.he's turning the whole world against us even former allies.
Freedom Fan said "Liberals believe the U.S. Constitution is a ““living breathing”” document which means whatever
they want it to mean, regardless of original intent. Attempting to change the Constitution without
due process is an ominous threat to liberty and represents a fundamental violation of the
Constitution itself."
I agree whole heartedly that Attempting to change the Constitution without
due process is an ominous threat to liberty and represents a fundamental violation of the
Constitution itself, in fact I think you should inform The Bush Administration of this immediately. One of the core principles of our Founding Fathers which is timeless and still very relevant today was to establish checks and balances so one branch of government does not become too powerful. Our Founding Fathers would be turning over in their grave if they saw what was happening today, Freedom of speech is being compromised, if you criticize our president or the war, you are LABELED unpatriotic, the president feels he should be able to authorize spying on our citizens as well as war. This is a blatent power grab by the executive branch.
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or
security."
- Ben Franklin
Freedom Fan, this is fantastic quote you posted by Ben Franklin that I think Conservatives need to take more seriously.
Freedom Fan said "Liberals appear to believe that the ends justifies the means and as such have a very cavalier
attitude towards pursuing truth, as I have demonstrated on many occasions. Liberals have little
trust in the wisdom of common folks and our traditional values. They insist on using the courts to
impose their own elite views upon the benighted masses, rather than allowing people to choose
their own destiny through the democratic legislative process."
I think Conservatives believe the ends justify the means, just look at all the assaults on our personal freedoms and civil liberties as well as the so called war on terror all in the name of keeping us safe. and as for a cavalalier attitude to pursuing truth look at the justification for the war, there was none, there were no weapons of mass destruction, there were no ties between Iraq and terrorist the Bush Administration even admits there was "FAULTY INTELLIGENCE" Pun fully intended and no arguments there.As for imposing elite views on the masses I think the Excecutive Branch particularly the Bush Administration has allready cornered the market on that, they are trying to circumvent both the judicial and legislative process. but this appear ok to you.
Mike
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Anonymous, at 8:13 PM
Good post Worf
and FF, I gota lot more coming buddy
Mike
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Anonymous, at 8:15 PM
of that I am certain...buddy
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WORFEUS, at 8:18 PM
John Cornyn said on Meet the Press this morning,
"the most extreme violation of your civil liberties is of course, death at the hands of a terrorist"
I beg to differ Senator Cornyn.
The most extreme violation of our civil liberites is life under the rule of a tyrant.
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WORFEUS, at 8:27 PM
Mike,
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from dissent. You can still say whatever you wish. (within reason and logic - you wouldn't want to yell fire! in a crowded movie theater if there wasn't one for example)
That said OTHER people have a right to speak their minds as well.
If you want to dissent you have the power to do so, no one stops you.
If I were to say you were "unpatriotic" thats MY free speech.
The Ditzy Twits are a good example. Even though they've tried to cry foul, nobodies marched them off to a gulag or had them executed.
They had their say and then the American public had theirs. I am not obligated to buy anyones merchandise when I vehemently believe what they did or even said was wrong.
Radio stations, advertisers and retailers also have a right not to support anyone who they personally may disagree with or which casts them in a bad light with the public causing them to lose business or money.
They had their say, the rest of the country had theirs. Until I see them in a jail somewhere for crimes against the state I doubt their "Freedom of speech" was abridged.
Especially when Maines thinks she should be able to repress the free speech of Toby Keith for instance.
I'm sure Freedom Fan will have more with your other comments, and I may too after I go back through them more closely. This is just one that particullarly irks me.....LOL
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Eric, at 8:50 PM
heres some more Freedom Fan
Freedom Fan said"Similarly, when Conservatives say ““patriotism”” liberals hear ““jingoism”” because they don’’t
believe their country is anything about which to be particularly proud.
Freedom Fan, this is complete BS and insulting, Lydia Cornell said"never taken anything for granted and I LOVE my country more than anyone I know." and as for my view, I feel the same, I love my country and am very proud of it,Its the best place in the world that doesnt mean I agree with EVERYTHING we are doing and dont think we can't make things better. This is my point, you are infering things based on what YOU belive a Liberal thinks or believes as it is obvious neither Lydia or I actually said this.
Freedom Fan Said "However, you apparently believe that being a good Christian requires you to ““turn the other
cheek”” regardless of circumstances. I submit that if you know that someone intends to harm you
or your loved ones and you do nothing, you are worse than a sucker. In this case you have
betrayed the fiduciary responsibility to protect your loved ones, and you are probably dead. May I
assure you that if someone wipes out 3,000 of my countrymen and blasts a crater out of a quarter
of New York City, the next thing the bastard sees will not be my cheek."
Freedom Fan again Lydia never advocated doing nothing, she said we should go after the real terrorists heres the quote "I would love to have gone after Osama and the actual terrorists, instead of wasting our MOST
PRECIOUS SOLDIERS ON A FAKE WAR FOR PURPOSES WE DON'T EVEN KNOW!
11:28 PM" again you were wrongly assuming what people thought based on a stereotype, this administration allready admitted going to war based on wrong information, arent you even the least bit worried they are wrong about other things as well or are relying on more "FAULTY INTELLIOGENCE" or flawed logic????
Freedom Fan said"This is the same fundamental reason liberals continually lash
out against Conservatives: envy, laziness and greed. This is the same reason that they identify with
and coddle our islamist enemies as well as common criminals. The mindset is identical."
The above quote was a reply to Lydia Cornell, and Lydia basically echoed my point that Conservatives paint a label on ALL liberals and basically assume that they all believe the exact same things regardless of what they actually say. its pretty clear from the post what Lydia's views are heres the quote
"How dare you say that any American CODDLES OUR ISLAMIST ENEMIES? This is what's
wrong with our political discourse: people like you who have a mindset that all people fall into
one of two categories. This breeds the kind of hatred that brings down nations. You don't know
me. I am a freedom-loving, hard-working mother of two sons and a follower of Christ. I have never taken anything for granted and I LOVE my country more than anyone I know."
my views basically mirror Lydia's but I would like to add as for envy laziness and greed, I certainly dont envy conservatives,and I find it insulting to be called lazy, I worked 90-100 hours a week for years to put myself through both college and graduate school and am working two jobs right now to pay off student loans and credit card bills from school.As for the greed, I am intelligent and hardworking and if I were truly greedy I could be making far more than I now am doing something else, but that thought doesnt even enter my mind, I like what I do and think it is more important to help people and make a difference in their life than make a few more bucks. many times I work 7 days a week on my own time to give kids a place to go and keep them off the streets. One more thing, I think its pretty bobvious its the conservsatives that are lashing out.
Mike
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Anonymous, at 8:57 PM
Eric, i'm not trying to be a jerk here honest, but it appears what your saying is freedom of speech is ok as long as we dont disagree with you or President Bush?
As for the Dixie Chicks they were silenced, you never heard from them again afterwards just like anyone else who didnt agree with the NEO Cons, even fellow conservatives, look at what happened to Paul O'Neil and Colin Powell, two conservatives who I will admit to having respect for. read Paul O'Neils book sometime, its a great read.
Mike
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Anonymous, at 9:04 PM
Worf,
"The most extreme violation of our civil liberites is life under the rule of a tyrant."
With life under the rule of a tyrant, you MAY still have a FEW civil liberties left, and regaining them later after his being deposed would remain a possibility.
Once your dead you've pretty much lost ALL your civil liberties.
(we can discuss the afterlife later)
And if you think Bush is truly a tyrant, I'd hate to see what you'd do if we ever had a real one.
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Eric, at 9:07 PM
Mike,
No offense taken.
My point is this:
YOU have a right to say whatever you wish about me or the president.
(your free speech)
I have a right to say that it's unpatriotic if I feel it is.
(my free speech)
You have a right to say whatever you wish. You DON'T have a right to NOT be called on whatever you say by others expressing THEIR freedom of speech.
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Eric, at 9:18 PM
Eric, YOU have the right to say it is unpatriotic, but I dont think government officials have that right, because in my view that is trying to surpress freedom of speech that like saying I am the ultimate authority and you cant disagree with me without being unpatriotic.
And your right they didnt get thrown in jail for it, but the way they were silenced it sure appeared to me that there was some form of government retaliation, now I could be wrong, but i could also be right.
Mike
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Anonymous, at 9:28 PM
Mike,
Besides democracy, we also live in a capitalist system.
If an entertainer or a politician for that matter says anything that offends enough people THOSE people have a right NOT to financially support them.
The Ditzy Twits were not silenced. After they used their right to free speech, a great number of their ex-fans exercised their freedom by not purchasing their products. The advertisers then expressed their freedom not to continue to support people who could no longer benefit them financially, and radio stations expressed their freedom not to carry an artist who in turn would've made them unprofitable.
The same for O'neil and Powell. Hell I just heard Powell on some show the other day. If their books aren't selling it's not because they're being silenced. Their books just aren't selling and publishers won't publish them gratis.
I think O'neil had had his 15 minutes of fame, and Powell, well I'm sure we haven't heard the last him.
Just like you and me buddy. We have freedom of speech, but if we can't make it profitable to a publisher or the media we DON'T have a right to be heard. And even if we could force them to publish our books or put our mugs on TV, we can't force the people to buy them or not change the channel.
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Eric, at 9:35 PM
Eric, one more thing I dont disagree with you and FF on everything you both make some good points that I have acknowledged them. we probably dont see eye to eye on the majority of our political views but I do think FF is and intelligent guy and i'm not trying to bash him. would like to hear his response because even though i'm pretty sure I wont agree with many of them, i'd like to try to understand how he thinks and where hes coming from. I also want to show that you guys are assuming you know how some of us think or feel or where we stand on certain issues by lumping us in with how you think all liberals think rather than looking at what we say, and if the shoe were on the other foot you guys would be frustrated and insulted also, I mean I am not lazy, I am not unpatriotic, I love my country, I do not support welfare to people who are too lazy or lack the desire to work or better themselves, and I do not want to lets the terrorists get away with 9/11etc....
Mike
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Anonymous, at 9:44 PM
Thanks, Anonymous, for re-posting my earlier comments. I think they are quite apropos to some of the issues in the current thread.
You know, through the years, I've had a number of friends and colleagues who are gay or lesbian. And with very few if any exceptions, all are wonderful, upstanding individuals who never wore their "gayness", if you will, on their sleeves. In fact, I had no idea for quite some time that some of them were, in fact, gay. But the relationships that they have, aside from the fact that they often have to "closet" them to some degree, are not unlike any relationships that I have had as a heterosexual.
Are there some gays who are more outgoing or promiscuous with their sexuality than others? Absolutely. But I must say that I've known a helluva lot of heterosexual men AND women who have lived similarly promiscuous lives. Believe me, the stories I could tell. Let's just say that there an awful lot of kids out there who would be seriously embarassed to learn what their moms and dads - those supposed pillars of virtue that some have mentioned - once did with or without their clothes on. Sexual promiscuity is an equal opportunity pastime.
I am married with two wonderful kids. I take a lot of pride in trying to do the right things for my kids and in trying to be the best possible parent that I can be. But just because one is heterosexual doesn't mean that all is "The Land of Ward and June Cleaver" in American heterosexual households. Physical abuse, drug and alcohol addiction, crime, divorce and a multitude of other things can and do pose problems for households headed by heterosexuals. So let's not paint it as the be-all/end-all panacaea that some with an agenda make it out to be.
Two committed adults, regardless of sexual orientation, can provide a loving and nurturing environment for children. Many of the childless gay and lesbian couples that I know, some who have been together for a long time, would make absolutely wonderful parents. Would all of my friends who are gay make great parents? No. But then I know a lot of heterosexuals who wouldn't, either. I'm sure we all do. Again, sexual orientation should neither dictate the ability of two people to have a monogamous, committed and RECOGNIZED or SANCTIONED relationship, nor should it dictate their ability or suitability to raise children.
I know that some other topics have been raised in the previous posts, but I won't get into those today. Suffice to say that we all have our opinions and we all are entitled to not only have them but also to share them. We may disagree, but hopefully we can appreciate another's opinion even if we don't quite understand it or agree with it.
Just remember to open your hearts and your minds, if only just a bit, to see that there are a lot of things in this world that would cease to be problems if only we'd let them be. We often try to make our lives and our beliefs more difficult and more pained than they need to be. That may sound a bit esoteric to some, but it would make our co-existence much more pleasant and rewarding if more people did so.
Ciao.
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DrewL, at 9:44 PM
As far as the president goes, or any other politician for that matter, I don't think you lose your civil liberties just because you've been elected to public office.
We elect them pretty much on rhetoric anyway, so if you don't like what they say, vote them out of office.
Anyways, gots to go to work in the morning so g'night folks!
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Eric, at 9:46 PM
I dont really think the age group that listen's to the dixie chicks would be motivated by politics I think they just buy whatever album they like, I think it was more where the administration and FCC, put pressure on the advertisers and radio stations to blackball them and put them in their place. I have no evidence to support this but thats my gut feeling
Mike
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Anonymous, at 9:50 PM
Oh my God - did you write that Lydia or did you read that somewhere the Tapestry is so beautiful. It sounds like you speak "with authority" and I am so touched by the beauty of your words. thank you.
Chris
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Anonymous, at 10:05 PM
One last thing before I go, I am tired and I hope I express this clearly.
On the issue of conservatives thinking liberals are unpatriotic, it strikes me that there is a time and place for everything.
Lets say you and your wife WERE America. You're having a big party and all your friends are there and your enemies are peeking through the windows.
Your wife suddenly commits a social faux pas.
If you really love her, you'll take her aside perhaps in another room to talk to her about it.
You wouldn't do it loudly in the middle of the room with everyone looking on and listening.
My point being, we MUST appear unwavering to our allies and united against our enemies.
We shouldn't be airing our dirty laundry over the public airwaves in a time of crisis, and not with the politics of personal destruction.
If we must disagree lets have it out beforehand or after the crisis has passed, or simply go to the polls in the next election cycle and vote against the ones we disagree with.
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Eric, at 10:05 PM
Ah, the gay thing yet again...I’m a ‘straight’ man, but I do have a few lesbian friends so here’s my two cents worth - the funniest thing that just so happened to happen tonight. I'm getting ready to go to a buddy's house and thought, 'gee, I haven't popped on here in a while so I wanted to check out what Lydia has written recently' because I'm a huge admirer and I just can't get enough from such a kindred spirit. :D I'm really looking forward to her books when they come out too.
In any case, before getting home and packing my things to go to my buddy's house I had just come from the book store with my "Lesbian" friend. While we were there I picked up yet another copy of the Bible with what Jesus said in red. Gotta love it. There was a student bible to lead you to all the "pertinent scriptures" right next to it. Naturally, I looked up the scriptures referring to "homosexuality" which were listed as Leviticus - you know the ones of the different laws that also include tattoos being a sin as well as eating shrimp - yet some people put too much emphasis on homosexuality. The funny thing is I guess lesbians are okay because Leviticus 18:22 Literally says, "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." It doesn't say anything about lesbianism there. Gee aren't we supposed to take it like it is written. Naturally I'm kidding but I'm merely pointing out how ridiculous the right wingers are. Now the interesting part was the scripture listed for the New Testament in regards to homosexuality...it had only ONE scripture listed and it is Galatians 6:7-8
"7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life." <-Ok first of all, Jesus apparently did not say this because guess what boys and girls...that's right - it's not in red. Second...I don't see anything that states gay or homosexual in it at all. As a matter of fact the heading to the chapter is "Doing Good to All." Yet another right wing misinterpretation of scripture! This just makes me wonder why people continue to take only one or two sentences out of the a chapter in the bible and make a mountain out of a molehill. They have taken it completely out of context, and yet I bet some of them have tattoos and eat the “all you can eat shrimp dinner at Sizzler.” Just kidding but you get my drift.
I really feel like protesting the protesters at the pride festivals when they're down there telling all the gays and lesbians that they're going to hell because God hates them. I'd love to be there with a gigantic sign that states the quote "Judging Others" Matthew 7:2 "2 For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." I’d do it but then I’d be doing the same thing in reverse so I guess it’s a lesson the right-wingers will have to learn on their own when judgement day arrives.
You can't bother using the first verse with these right wingers its all they'd see. You have to just go straight to the second verse on this one. In any case, there is no way anyone can tell me my friend is going to hell. She is one of the sweetest, most good hearted, caring people I know. She'd give someone the shirt off of her back to help them out so just because she's gay...no. I know I'll see her in Heaven for sure.
But here's one for Bush and Coulture who's too chicken to let you post anything on her site...
Leviticus 19:11 "Do not steal. Do not lie. Do not deceive one another."
Now what was that about weapons of mass destruction?
Oh and here's a favorite for the evening...Leviticus again - don't you just love it -- Leviticus 19:16 the second sentence "Do not do anything that endangers your neighbors life. I am the Lord"
Now how many 'neighbors' have died in this war? Which brings to mind a church show that was on this morning talking about planned parenthood clinics who killed so many hundreds of babies...ok so they're going with ‘thou shall not kill,’ so how many were killed in any war? What makes that killing ok? That's what I'd like to know.
And how many died unnecessarily in New Orleans because Bush was too busy to show up right away until he could get his hand shaking PR shots in, and lets not forget how he refused to let the levy get fixed because he needed the money for the war. Furthermore, what about the human lives that were ignored of people who were trapped in their homes and were passed by and left to die because if they couldn’t be seen then no one was going to look for them because they were afraid of future law suits for breaking and entering. I personally would not sue someone for breaking my window in order to save my life. Granted some people actually might but you have to do what’s right and save the lives. Also what about the elderly people who were calling daily to find out when help was coming for them as the water was rising? Yet, they were left to drown in their beds in the convalescent hospital. Where’s the right wingers Christianity in all of that? Yet they can sit back letting our own people die and tell another country how to run their government. The war and all of this is a huge let down to America. God Bless the brave troops but my point is for every terrorist taken out a new one takes his place.
Funny how my lesbian friend is all about peace and love yet these right-wingers let people die and rob from the rest of us with price gouging.
Ann Coulture putting Lydia’s personal info on her site - every time I think of that it riles me up.
Lydia: It just makes me want to rise up and be a guard for you. I'm sure you have some but still...I'd be wherever in a flash to help protect you and your family. That may sound odd but and I don't mean it to...just know I continue with prayers of good thoughts and protection for all of you. :D
Just wondering too...when your books are available will we be able to buy them through your site?
Off subject – on a happier note - I received my copy of Too Close for Comfort (2nd Season) earlier this week. It's so refreshing to watch my all time favorite show again. :D
I also wanted to thank you again for your acknowledgment from the earlier posts and for what you wrote about for the New Year “May all the gifts hidden inside you make their way into the world, and may all your deepest dreams come true.” That one part in itself was so inspirational to me. I went out and bought a guitar and I am scheduled to start lessons in a few weeks. I was looking forward to starting school this semester and now with your warm thoughts to us I’m even more excited to see what my hidden gifts are.
Take care, and God Bless you all.
Sincerely,
Rene
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Rene, at 10:55 PM
Patriots used to say, "give me Liberty or give me death",
The new and improved republican patriot says
"oooohh please Mr. Bush, take whatever liberties from us that you need, just please keep us safe" :O
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WORFEUS, at 10:59 PM
Lydia, fantastic post, I think i would like hear more of your views on spiritualism, that is such a broad subject and i'd like to hear your views in more detail when you have the time.
Mike
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Anonymous, at 11:08 PM
Johnny and Worfeus i'd like to hear more of your views on Religion, as I think we may be more
similar than you think, although if you prefer to keep them to yourselves or just discuss them with
Lydia I understand.
Mike
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Anonymous, at 11:10 PM
Gotta give credit where credits due, thats awesome Worf
Mike
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Anonymous, at 11:49 PM
I agree with you on that Worf.
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Rene, at 2:05 AM
Rene -- what a beautiful post; thank you for your offer of protection and for all your amazing words.
I have to print it out and read it again.
God Bless.
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Lydia Cornell, at 10:10 AM
As for my views on religion,although I am not an Atheist and I do believe in God, I have been
turned off to religion since I was a very young child, the reasons for this are basically the same as
today, People like the Religious Right or Rich Jewish people who label and stereotype people,
stand in judgement and look down on people less fortunate than themselves rather than going out
of their way to help them.
There have been so many terrible things throughout history committed in the name of religion,
that not only have I been turned off to it, but I have also been creeped out by the fanatical zealots
who use religion to promote what ever agenda they are trying to push. Also there should never be
any type of ties between the church and the state, because no good has ever come out of it.
After coming to this page and listening to Lydia I have to say I might have been a little judgmental
and hasty, before I would have thought every religious person was a fanatic and been kind of
creeped out by them. Although I don’t ever see myself as being religious, Lydia's views on
Religion and life have helped me see that religion itself is not bad, its the people themselves and
the beliefs they hold which can be good or bad.
Mike
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Anonymous, at 11:10 AM
The only positive I ever found in religion while growing up was it was a time to spend with family
and friends that you cared about, and I have many cherished memories from celebrating holidays
with friends of various faiths and religions.
I think religion should put more than just lip service to going out of your way to help people or
making them feel good. Lydia mentioned in her blog going out of our way to help others, and
making someone’s face light up with a kind word or gesture.
After reading this several memories came to my mind. The first is while working my way through
college I was working and going to school full time, about 90 hours a week between both and yet
every Friday I always found the time to take my grandmother out to lunch, she was sick with
cancer off and on for years, and it was the highlight of her week when we would go out, her smile
would light up the room.
Another example that comes to mind is that I moved away from my home town about 4 years
ago, my best friend who I’ve known since I was seven had a son who was six at the time and we
were very close, and I’ve made every effort to stay in contact and try to visit twice a year if
possible. well 2 years ago my flight was delayed and I didn’t get in till about 2:30AM I was
staying at his house and when I got in his eight year old was waiting for me in his room (where I
sleep) with the light on and a game set up and a movie going. When I walked into his room, the
smile on his face could have lit up the room with the lights out, mine could have as well. We
played board games and watched movies till the sun came up that night and almost all seven of the
other nights as well, I think I got a total of 4 hours sleep the whole time I was there, but I
wouldn’t change a thing. It was hilarious he actually got upset the one night my buddy invited
some of our old friends over and we had an “adult night” away from the kids, he actually wanted
to spend every minute with me. Which is a precious thing because kids grow up so fast and that
probably wont be the case when he’s a teenager. You just cant put a price on things like that,
showing someone you care about them is better than any amount of money.
I can remember when I was working 90 hours a week to put myself through college and my
Grandmother or Uncle or Mother would see how hard I was working and give me $20 or $50 and
tell me to enjoy myself or go out and have a good time, while money was tight and it really
helped, the act of kindness was even better. Another example, I just bought my first home and one
of my co-workers who is very comfortable financially bought me a new table and chairs as well as
a set of glasses (also bought me a Christmas gift) while what he gave me was great, the thought
behind it and act of kindness itself was even better. Also we run rated chess tournaments at my
work once a month and the fee for a membership is between $20-$40, one of our regulars who is
19 years old and is struggling to earn his engineering degree while working 90 hours a week, and
is also expecting a child kept saying he really wanted to come to our tournaments but just
couldn’t afford it, so I bought him and membership, and I usually by lunch also when we have a
tournament, while he truly loves chess and it probably serves as an outlet for him I think what
really brought a smile to his face was that I cared enough to want to help him and try to make his
life better.
Even just a few kind words or an nice e-mail can bring a smile to someone’s face. I sent Lydia an
e-mail showing my support about the whole Coulter incident, she probably gets a ton of e-mails
from both supporters and enemies since her e-mail was posted, I never expected a response from
someone as busy as her, but it made me feel good and brought a smile to my face that I did get
one. Is it so wrong to go out of your way to help someone or say a few kind words, the
Conservatives seem to think so, I don’t think helping a person who is breaking their back working
90 hours a week to better themselves will destroy their drive, make them dependent or ruin their
sense of achievement the smallest of gestures can mean so much.
Mike
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Anonymous, at 11:11 AM
I agree Rene, you made some excellent points, I agree with EVERYTHING you said, particularly about New Orleans and the Coulter Incident, and I too am looking forward to reading Lydia's books when they come out, she is such a cool and interesting person.
Mike
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Anonymous, at 11:16 AM
Mr. Bush, and the right wing constantly talk about "honoring the sacrifice of our troops by "staying the course".
In reality, the only way this President and those who follow him have to honor the sacrifce of our troops, is to sacrifice more troops.
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WORFEUS, at 12:28 PM
Yes! Agreed. This is not the kind of organized war with any rules of engagement; the theory that we are weakening our cause by speaking out against the war I think only exonerates the American people and strengthens American resolve too catch the real enemy. It shows our enemy that normal Americans are not the ones who are causing all the problems. It is our leaders who have forced innocent lives to be lost. The terrorists think they are doing something holy; they are mothers and sons and children who believe we are invaders. Once we leave their holy land, the suicide attacks will stop. We have to get rid of our pride.
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Anonymous, at 12:40 PM
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall
Proverbs 16:18
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WORFEUS, at 1:53 PM
nice post who ever you are?
and Worf, another great one line zinger, maybe i'll have to try to keep my posts short and sweet too, after I fire off one more long one in respose to FF in the next couple of days
Mike
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Anonymous, at 2:41 PM
So Worfeus, what made you turn to the bible? also did you see my 11:10PM post from last night?
Mike
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Anonymous, at 2:43 PM
The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart,
Who shall bring me down to the ground?
Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars,
...thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD.
Obadiah 1:3- 4
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WORFEUS, at 2:56 PM
I will disguise myself, and will go to the battle; but put thou on thy robes
CHRONICLES 18:29
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WORFEUS, at 3:19 PM
Hey Worfeus, can you help me make a profile later?
Mike
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Anonymous, at 4:04 PM
If you can't see the Link that says, NO BLOGGER ACCOUNT?, SIGN UP HERE, directly above the big button you click everytime you post, then I highly doubt it.
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WORFEUS, at 4:18 PM
;)
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WORFEUS, at 4:22 PM
"the only way this President and those who follow him have to honor the sacrifce of our troops, is to sacrifice more troops"
------------------
And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat
Leviticus 26:29
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WORFEUS, at 4:30 PM
yeah, but how do you get one of those cool pictures like Freedom Fan has???
Mike
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Anonymous, at 4:37 PM
yea, those are cool :|
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WORFEUS, at 4:46 PM
Lydia - I have read & examined your tapesrty post several times on printout and have been struggling with my conscience.
Your writings have the strong stench of someone who speaks from the heart in search of honesty and truth which offers yourself and mankind nothing but hope, therefore, I have no choice but to refrain from elaborating on the bigger picture; your efforts are good.
And who knows, your well written, and very interesting tapestry theory, may in fact, have some merit. :}
Johnny moo moo
atheist
P.S. Does Miss/Ms. Valkenburgh share your beliefs as it appears you are good friends? (Easy question for once) :D
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Anonymous, at 6:34 PM
Boo Boo Fix.
Exchange stench for "scent".
Sorry Lydia
Johnny moo moo
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Anonymous, at 8:03 PM
I kinda figured thats what you meant to say Johnny
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Mike, at 8:12 PM
Thanx Mike. My own daughter is laughing at my mistake and rubbing it in.
Johnny moo moo
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Anonymous, at 8:20 PM
No, I do smell something....
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WORFEUS, at 8:30 PM
Please elaborate Worfeus?
I value your opinion.
Johnny moo moo
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Anonymous, at 8:35 PM
twas that it were, just jokin around Johnny
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WORFEUS, at 9:05 PM
I like jokes Worf, but thats too serious.
Johnny moo moo
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Anonymous, at 9:11 PM
you know me, always the kidder ;)
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WORFEUS, at 9:13 PM
Stop being crabby or Ill give you the Vulcan nerve pinch and wipe you completely out.
Johnny moo moo
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Anonymous, at 9:23 PM
I wish someone would pinch me :|
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WORFEUS, at 9:47 PM
Hey Johnny buddy,
Question
What do you think of Bill Maher?
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WORFEUS, at 9:51 PM
Thats funny, I was kinda hopin you would pinch me.
johnny moo moo
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Anonymous, at 9:51 PM
I dont have enough information about him to form an opinion. I do think Jon Stewart is funny though.
Johnny moo moo
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Anonymous, at 9:56 PM
Is Bill Maher still on TV?, I used to watch him every night when he was on latenight. I'm a Bill Maher fan
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Mike, at 10:03 PM
Hey Johnny tell me, did you ever believe in God? When did you decide to be an atheist?
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Anonymous, at 10:07 PM
Sorry Worf , I misinterpreted your statement. Theres a great singles dance up here in the Toronto area - weird chix and everything :D
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Anonymous, at 10:08 PM
Thats a tough one Worf ? I believe I became an atheist at a very young age due to the fact of something my grandmother told me that didnt make sense. She is Christian. Nothing traumatic or anything.
Johnny moo moo
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Anonymous, at 10:16 PM
10:08 PM Post
Signed Johnny moo moo
Johnny moo moo
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Anonymous, at